It is good to warn about Islam, but this is wrong. Islam IS inherently violent, because it is based on the words the fake prophet Mohammed put in Allah's mouth, and Mohammed was a violent man.
Mohammed was a warlord who led followers to raid caravans, attack other tribes, ordered murders, ens…
It is good to warn about Islam, but this is wrong. Islam IS inherently violent, because it is based on the words the fake prophet Mohammed put in Allah's mouth, and Mohammed was a violent man.
Mohammed was a warlord who led followers to raid caravans, attack other tribes, ordered murders, enslaved women and children, and in general used declarations to kill for his power. These attacks were the acts of bandits looking to plunder wealth of others. Mohammed invented 'revelations' to incite his followers to kill and steal for him.
Had Mohammed been just a warlord, no different from other violent thug leaders, his evil would have been gone with him. But he put "kill the unbelievers" into the Quran. He ordered the murder of his critics. He created verses that said husbands can beat their wives and warriors could rape captured women, and "Allah" approved. His calls for "Jihad" ie holy war, against "unbelievers" led to 1400 years of Islamic attacks, wars, and subjugation of others. Mohammed's example of beheading the 700 Banu Qurazay jews in Medina - a war crime - is something Hamas and ISIS Jihadists emulated in recent times.
The CORE of Islam is Quran and Mohammed's example, which is violent. that is why there is violence in Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Israel/Palestine, Bangladesh, Pakistan ... and why there is oppression in Iran, Pakistan ... and why Islamic world lacks democracy, human rights, and women's rights. Islam is rotten at its core.
This is nothing like Christianity, whose core ethics is the Sermon on the Mount and the universal commandment to "love one another as you love yourself" any other religion deserve respect - Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. But Islam was formed for conquest of others and then their subjugation.
Muslims don't see Mohammad as a warlord who ordered to kill people. They see him is a person who brought Allah's grace.
Islam as practised historically is a combination of several things. Bible (both New and Old,especially Old) had horrible verses too.
Christianity was historically violent NOT because of Sermon of the Mount obviously. It was violent because it labelled people as heretics, pagans, blasphemeres and "those going to hell"
If you think islam is inherently violent, you don't understand Islam and it will defeat you, because of your simpistic understanding.
Islam is totalitarian faith and Muslims consider themselves as slaves of Allah. In that slavery, some are good things and some are bad things
Your goal is to break that slavery to Allah. Your goal shouldn't be blaming Islam as violent.
"Your goal shouldn't be blaming Islam as violent."
This is not about goals, this is about the truth.
Mohammed put over 164 "Jihad" verses in the Quran during his lifetime, inciting followers to attack and kill non-muslims again and again.
2.216 "Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not."
4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[Mohammed enticed his followers to fight by saying they will go straight to heaven and get 72 virgins forever]
[3.157]...if you are slain in the way of Allah...mercy is better [those who do Jihad and are killed are rewarded] than what they amass [what those who stay home from Jihad receive – no booty on earth and no perks in heaven]
"[8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand"
I agree that Islam is totalitarian. So were the Incan empire, but Inca empire didn't conquer and destroy others.
Islam is more than totalitarian; it is expansionistic and violent, with fundamentalist muslims, like Iran mullahs, believing in the Quranic verses that fighting to make the whole world under Islam is directed by God.
After Mohammed's death, the 'recipe' of constant fighting against "non-believers" led to Arab conquest by the sword in the next 100 years of much of the middle east, from Persia to Morocco. Jihad - war against non-muslims - is at the core of Islam. It's the truth, whether you deem it helpful or not in weaning mordern muslims from Islam or not.
Every other religion don't work like that, but Mohammed's did.
By 635AD, Islamic rulers forced expulsion of the Jews and the Christians in AD 635 from the Arabian Peninsula - by the "Just" and so-called "Rightly Guided" Khalifa Umar Ibn Al Khattab, just 15 years after Mohammed came into Medina with only a handful of followers, allowed in by the peaceful Jewish tribes of Medina.
When Mohammed had no power in Mecca, his verses were just about his 'revelations' of mix of pagan, Christian and Jewish tales. But in Medina, he needed to acquire wealth, and found a way by having his muslims attack caravans and tribes, plundering and enslaving them. his power led him to incite his followers to attack even more, putting his attacks into the Quran. THAT is the problem.
"Muslims don't see Mohammad as a warlord who ordered to kill people. They see him is a person who brought Allah's grace."
That's the problem. Mohammed was in actual reality a caravan-raiding warlord who participated on no less than 70 attacks on other tribes and caravans, including the destruction of the 3 Jewish tribes of Medina - Bani , attacks on Quraysh caravans, and more. Mohammed used his claimed prophet status to gain power. The problem
is Hadith and Quranic verses that 'justifies' his actions. This twists the morality in Islam and corrupts it. Even Quranic verses that Mohammed got 20% of the loot.
"If you think islam is inherently violent" - I don't think that, it declares it itself.
It doesn't ask muslims to fight, it COMMANDS them to fight. Mohammed declared his own orders to attack others as the words of Allah:
Surah 2:216
Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.
Sura 9:29 says: "Fight (slay and kill) those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day (judgement day), nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor they follow the religion of truth (the religion of Islam) out of those who have been given the Book (Jews and Christians), until they pay the tax, in acknowledgment of superiority and (recognition that) they are in a state of subjection (to Islam).
If you don't understand how this is the root of Islam's 1400 years of violence on other religions, even up to today, when Jihadist terrorists yell "Allahu Akbar" and attack non-muslims, you understand nothing of Islam.
Sura 5:51 says: O ye who believe, take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other, and he amongst you that turns to them for friendship is one of them Verily, Allah guideth not a people unjust (Jews and Christians).
Have you read the Old Testament by any chance? Not only are the tribes and the later kingdom rather fond of violence, but Hashem Himself is in there throwing down fire & brimstone, turning people to pillars of salt, and trolling the faithful when He wasn't cursing Amalek.
Regardless, Christianity has the worse track record by far. Modern Islamic fundamentalism was a predictable response to the establishment of a multinational Jewish state, by Western Christian fiat, on Muslim Arab lands.
You are at other end of the spectrum ignoring what islam has done historically.
That modern Islamic fundamentalism is response to Jewish state is exactly what Islamists want you to believe and you fell into the trap.
Have you forgotten, Arabic colonization, jizya, longest slavery conducted by Muslims, complete erasure of pre-islamic culture (so that there are no records of its brutality )? Tendency to impose sharia law, kashmir, chechenya, fundamentalism in Philippines etc ?
The self-proclaimed 'prophet' Mohammed committed the war crime of executing 700 men of the Jewish Bani Qurazay tribe 1400 years ago, kicking off 1400 years of genocide, Jizya, dhimmitude and attacks on Jews, Christians and others, long before Israel ever existed.
Have you read the New Testament by any chance?
Mohammed put over 160 "Jihad verses" calling on his followers to attack and kill 'non-believers', and called it the word of God. I challenge you to find anything similar in the Gospel.
Sura 9:29 says: "Fight (slay and kill) those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day (judgement day),..."
Whataboutism attacks on Christianity are both ignorant and mis-placed; it does not erase or absolve Mohammed's violence that he seeded into Islam.
The state religion of the Roman empire and all of Europe throughout the Dark Ages to the Inquisition, colonialism, slavery, two world wars, corporate capitalism, and beyond? Yeah, I'm sure Christianity has nothing to answer for.
If you are clubbing random things to christianity for which it is NOT the primary cause, why don't you add similar random things such as scientific revolution, removal of poverty, destruction of slavery (remeber it was christian nations that went to battles and wars to end slavery although longest and probably largest slave trade was done by Muslims ), democracy, improvements in medicine, geographical and space exploration, getting people to interact on subsrack made possible by capitalism?
Funny how they blame all the ills of history on Christianity, yet won't give any credit to Christianity for birthing modern civilization itself, which grew out of Christendom.
Civilization vastly predates Christianity, and most of contemporary Western civilization's advances have been resisted by and made in spite of Christianity, not encouraged by it.
"Islam : Not because it is inherently violent."
It is good to warn about Islam, but this is wrong. Islam IS inherently violent, because it is based on the words the fake prophet Mohammed put in Allah's mouth, and Mohammed was a violent man.
Mohammed was a warlord who led followers to raid caravans, attack other tribes, ordered murders, enslaved women and children, and in general used declarations to kill for his power. These attacks were the acts of bandits looking to plunder wealth of others. Mohammed invented 'revelations' to incite his followers to kill and steal for him.
Had Mohammed been just a warlord, no different from other violent thug leaders, his evil would have been gone with him. But he put "kill the unbelievers" into the Quran. He ordered the murder of his critics. He created verses that said husbands can beat their wives and warriors could rape captured women, and "Allah" approved. His calls for "Jihad" ie holy war, against "unbelievers" led to 1400 years of Islamic attacks, wars, and subjugation of others. Mohammed's example of beheading the 700 Banu Qurazay jews in Medina - a war crime - is something Hamas and ISIS Jihadists emulated in recent times.
The CORE of Islam is Quran and Mohammed's example, which is violent. that is why there is violence in Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Israel/Palestine, Bangladesh, Pakistan ... and why there is oppression in Iran, Pakistan ... and why Islamic world lacks democracy, human rights, and women's rights. Islam is rotten at its core.
This is nothing like Christianity, whose core ethics is the Sermon on the Mount and the universal commandment to "love one another as you love yourself" any other religion deserve respect - Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. But Islam was formed for conquest of others and then their subjugation.
Religion doesn't work like that.
Muslims don't see Mohammad as a warlord who ordered to kill people. They see him is a person who brought Allah's grace.
Islam as practised historically is a combination of several things. Bible (both New and Old,especially Old) had horrible verses too.
Christianity was historically violent NOT because of Sermon of the Mount obviously. It was violent because it labelled people as heretics, pagans, blasphemeres and "those going to hell"
If you think islam is inherently violent, you don't understand Islam and it will defeat you, because of your simpistic understanding.
Islam is totalitarian faith and Muslims consider themselves as slaves of Allah. In that slavery, some are good things and some are bad things
Your goal is to break that slavery to Allah. Your goal shouldn't be blaming Islam as violent.
"Your goal shouldn't be blaming Islam as violent."
This is not about goals, this is about the truth.
Mohammed put over 164 "Jihad" verses in the Quran during his lifetime, inciting followers to attack and kill non-muslims again and again.
2.216 "Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not."
4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[Mohammed enticed his followers to fight by saying they will go straight to heaven and get 72 virgins forever]
[3.157]...if you are slain in the way of Allah...mercy is better [those who do Jihad and are killed are rewarded] than what they amass [what those who stay home from Jihad receive – no booty on earth and no perks in heaven]
"[8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand"
Many Jihad verses referenced here:
https://answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html
I agree that Islam is totalitarian. So were the Incan empire, but Inca empire didn't conquer and destroy others.
Islam is more than totalitarian; it is expansionistic and violent, with fundamentalist muslims, like Iran mullahs, believing in the Quranic verses that fighting to make the whole world under Islam is directed by God.
After Mohammed's death, the 'recipe' of constant fighting against "non-believers" led to Arab conquest by the sword in the next 100 years of much of the middle east, from Persia to Morocco. Jihad - war against non-muslims - is at the core of Islam. It's the truth, whether you deem it helpful or not in weaning mordern muslims from Islam or not.
"Religion doesn't work like that."
Every other religion don't work like that, but Mohammed's did.
By 635AD, Islamic rulers forced expulsion of the Jews and the Christians in AD 635 from the Arabian Peninsula - by the "Just" and so-called "Rightly Guided" Khalifa Umar Ibn Al Khattab, just 15 years after Mohammed came into Medina with only a handful of followers, allowed in by the peaceful Jewish tribes of Medina.
When Mohammed had no power in Mecca, his verses were just about his 'revelations' of mix of pagan, Christian and Jewish tales. But in Medina, he needed to acquire wealth, and found a way by having his muslims attack caravans and tribes, plundering and enslaving them. his power led him to incite his followers to attack even more, putting his attacks into the Quran. THAT is the problem.
"Muslims don't see Mohammad as a warlord who ordered to kill people. They see him is a person who brought Allah's grace."
That's the problem. Mohammed was in actual reality a caravan-raiding warlord who participated on no less than 70 attacks on other tribes and caravans, including the destruction of the 3 Jewish tribes of Medina - Bani , attacks on Quraysh caravans, and more. Mohammed used his claimed prophet status to gain power. The problem
is Hadith and Quranic verses that 'justifies' his actions. This twists the morality in Islam and corrupts it. Even Quranic verses that Mohammed got 20% of the loot.
"If you think islam is inherently violent" - I don't think that, it declares it itself.
It doesn't ask muslims to fight, it COMMANDS them to fight. Mohammed declared his own orders to attack others as the words of Allah:
Surah 2:216
Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.
Sura 9:29 says: "Fight (slay and kill) those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day (judgement day), nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor they follow the religion of truth (the religion of Islam) out of those who have been given the Book (Jews and Christians), until they pay the tax, in acknowledgment of superiority and (recognition that) they are in a state of subjection (to Islam).
If you don't understand how this is the root of Islam's 1400 years of violence on other religions, even up to today, when Jihadist terrorists yell "Allahu Akbar" and attack non-muslims, you understand nothing of Islam.
Sura 5:51 says: O ye who believe, take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other, and he amongst you that turns to them for friendship is one of them Verily, Allah guideth not a people unjust (Jews and Christians).
Have you read the Old Testament by any chance? Not only are the tribes and the later kingdom rather fond of violence, but Hashem Himself is in there throwing down fire & brimstone, turning people to pillars of salt, and trolling the faithful when He wasn't cursing Amalek.
Regardless, Christianity has the worse track record by far. Modern Islamic fundamentalism was a predictable response to the establishment of a multinational Jewish state, by Western Christian fiat, on Muslim Arab lands.
You are at other end of the spectrum ignoring what islam has done historically.
That modern Islamic fundamentalism is response to Jewish state is exactly what Islamists want you to believe and you fell into the trap.
Have you forgotten, Arabic colonization, jizya, longest slavery conducted by Muslims, complete erasure of pre-islamic culture (so that there are no records of its brutality )? Tendency to impose sharia law, kashmir, chechenya, fundamentalism in Philippines etc ?
The self-proclaimed 'prophet' Mohammed committed the war crime of executing 700 men of the Jewish Bani Qurazay tribe 1400 years ago, kicking off 1400 years of genocide, Jizya, dhimmitude and attacks on Jews, Christians and others, long before Israel ever existed.
Have you read the New Testament by any chance?
Mohammed put over 160 "Jihad verses" calling on his followers to attack and kill 'non-believers', and called it the word of God. I challenge you to find anything similar in the Gospel.
Sura 9:29 says: "Fight (slay and kill) those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day (judgement day),..."
Whataboutism attacks on Christianity are both ignorant and mis-placed; it does not erase or absolve Mohammed's violence that he seeded into Islam.
There's nothing ignorant about it; Christianity erased history everywhere it went. The New Testament condemns nonbelievers to Hell, you know.
The state religion of the Roman empire and all of Europe throughout the Dark Ages to the Inquisition, colonialism, slavery, two world wars, corporate capitalism, and beyond? Yeah, I'm sure Christianity has nothing to answer for.
If you are clubbing random things to christianity for which it is NOT the primary cause, why don't you add similar random things such as scientific revolution, removal of poverty, destruction of slavery (remeber it was christian nations that went to battles and wars to end slavery although longest and probably largest slave trade was done by Muslims ), democracy, improvements in medicine, geographical and space exploration, getting people to interact on subsrack made possible by capitalism?
Funny how they blame all the ills of history on Christianity, yet won't give any credit to Christianity for birthing modern civilization itself, which grew out of Christendom.
Civilization vastly predates Christianity, and most of contemporary Western civilization's advances have been resisted by and made in spite of Christianity, not encouraged by it.
False. Western civilization is Christian civilization.