Clothing standards are superficial, imo, and as long as I have access to comfortable and functional "women's" clothing, I don't care if they look stereotypical. I have shopped in the boys/mens aisles as the T-shirts seem to be made of a heavier cotton. Why must there be "feminine" clothing for male bodies? The stores are providing jobs a…
Clothing standards are superficial, imo, and as long as I have access to comfortable and functional "women's" clothing, I don't care if they look stereotypical. I have shopped in the boys/mens aisles as the T-shirts seem to be made of a heavier cotton. Why must there be "feminine" clothing for male bodies? The stores are providing jobs and selling items people want to buy. My guess is there would be few takers as most humans like to fit in to their culture (I don't go around in Japanese kimonos even though I like them), and the return on investment would hurt the business. The law does not require getting rid of labeled girls and boys toy sections, but it does require "retail department store locations that sells childcare items or toys to maintain a gender neutral section or area, to be labeled at the discretion of the retailer, in which a reasonable selection of the items and toys for children that it sells shall be displayed, regardless of whether they have been traditionally marketed for either girls or for boys." https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1084
I think people do make inferences about your personality based on how you dress though. Trans activists in particular see women dressed in stereotypically feminine ways and think we're expressing our inner womanly feelings and thereby consenting to sexism, when in reality most people aren't anywhere near as obsessed with clothes as they think we are.
There would be at least some demand for it cos trans-identified males at the very least wanna dress feminine. I say make clothes for them and stick them in the men's section, so they know that wearing feminine clothes doesn't make them women. Also, social norms can and should be changed.
Right, thanks for clarifying it. Would be better to just get rid of the "boy" and "girl" categories altogether imo, but I don't think there's much harm in having a section that isn't gendered. As long as they don't label the section "non-binary" or something that implies us normies can't play with the toys there.
I agree except for the "could and should," and "requiring that less stereotypical toys be available." Same with clothing. If someone wants less stereotypical clothing or toys, either make it or start a manufacturing company that produces what one wants. If someone passed a law "requiring" me to produce something that I don't want to make or something that doesn't sell well, I would rather drop my business and live in a tent under a bridge. As far as social norms in dress, people can generally wear whatever they want unless in a professional setting where the employer has a dress code, and I agree with the right of employers to have dress codes, just as I believe in the right of men to go prancing around in a dress on their personal time. I don't like bras and I'm small chested and don't require support, so I rarely wear one. I'm retired military and now have a small farm so no problem. But when in public, depending on the situation, I will sometimes use one to keep people from staring, although there's no law to prevent my choice to go braless. I don't like attention of staring, neurotic eyeballs, so I make a choice that is suitable for me.
"Could and should" doesn't equal "there should be a law that enforces it". It's just my opinion regarding what's best for combatting trans ideology. Words don't enforce anything and I wish everyone would stop acting like they do.
Not everyone can just start a business though. I definitely couldn't. I don't have the required funds / time / connections / ambition / appetite for risk . All that effort, stress and high likelihood of failure (business fail more often than marriages, yet there's no angry mob of men declaring business ownership a scam) just so I can have clothes that fit me and aren't girly? No thanks. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on how clothes should be sold.
I'm fine with employers having dress codes as long as they're not sexed (e.g. I shouldn't be forced to wear dresses and make up cos I'm female).
I don't wear bras either and I haven't noticed much staring. Probably cos I usually wear a jacket over my shirt, LOL.
Clothing standards are superficial, imo, and as long as I have access to comfortable and functional "women's" clothing, I don't care if they look stereotypical. I have shopped in the boys/mens aisles as the T-shirts seem to be made of a heavier cotton. Why must there be "feminine" clothing for male bodies? The stores are providing jobs and selling items people want to buy. My guess is there would be few takers as most humans like to fit in to their culture (I don't go around in Japanese kimonos even though I like them), and the return on investment would hurt the business. The law does not require getting rid of labeled girls and boys toy sections, but it does require "retail department store locations that sells childcare items or toys to maintain a gender neutral section or area, to be labeled at the discretion of the retailer, in which a reasonable selection of the items and toys for children that it sells shall be displayed, regardless of whether they have been traditionally marketed for either girls or for boys." https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1084
I think people do make inferences about your personality based on how you dress though. Trans activists in particular see women dressed in stereotypically feminine ways and think we're expressing our inner womanly feelings and thereby consenting to sexism, when in reality most people aren't anywhere near as obsessed with clothes as they think we are.
There would be at least some demand for it cos trans-identified males at the very least wanna dress feminine. I say make clothes for them and stick them in the men's section, so they know that wearing feminine clothes doesn't make them women. Also, social norms can and should be changed.
Right, thanks for clarifying it. Would be better to just get rid of the "boy" and "girl" categories altogether imo, but I don't think there's much harm in having a section that isn't gendered. As long as they don't label the section "non-binary" or something that implies us normies can't play with the toys there.
I agree except for the "could and should," and "requiring that less stereotypical toys be available." Same with clothing. If someone wants less stereotypical clothing or toys, either make it or start a manufacturing company that produces what one wants. If someone passed a law "requiring" me to produce something that I don't want to make or something that doesn't sell well, I would rather drop my business and live in a tent under a bridge. As far as social norms in dress, people can generally wear whatever they want unless in a professional setting where the employer has a dress code, and I agree with the right of employers to have dress codes, just as I believe in the right of men to go prancing around in a dress on their personal time. I don't like bras and I'm small chested and don't require support, so I rarely wear one. I'm retired military and now have a small farm so no problem. But when in public, depending on the situation, I will sometimes use one to keep people from staring, although there's no law to prevent my choice to go braless. I don't like attention of staring, neurotic eyeballs, so I make a choice that is suitable for me.
"Could and should" doesn't equal "there should be a law that enforces it". It's just my opinion regarding what's best for combatting trans ideology. Words don't enforce anything and I wish everyone would stop acting like they do.
Not everyone can just start a business though. I definitely couldn't. I don't have the required funds / time / connections / ambition / appetite for risk . All that effort, stress and high likelihood of failure (business fail more often than marriages, yet there's no angry mob of men declaring business ownership a scam) just so I can have clothes that fit me and aren't girly? No thanks. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on how clothes should be sold.
I'm fine with employers having dress codes as long as they're not sexed (e.g. I shouldn't be forced to wear dresses and make up cos I'm female).
I don't wear bras either and I haven't noticed much staring. Probably cos I usually wear a jacket over my shirt, LOL.