Parents like this have "munchausen gender dysphoria by proxy". This mentally-ill mother is doing this to get comments from others about her Woke status.
I actually know a mom like that, but the deluded kid is a male. I hope they have not chopped his dick off.
I'm not a physician, but I am a doctor. I diagnose you with a terminal case of Woke SJW wackadoodleism. Listen to Jordan Peterson NOW to return to normality.
My youngest son was born with an abdominal malformation and had surgery to fix it when he was 9 months old. The surgeon called us during the operation to ask if we’d like her to go ahead and take out his appendix, as she was working right next to it anyway. We talked about it and agreed, but I STILL felt a little weird about okaying the removal of a superfluous but healthy small organ.
These are such compelling and heartbreaking stories. As I read them, I can’t imagine ever even considering having one of my children’s body parts literally chopped off. How this is even remotely something even one parent has viewed as “helping” their child is so utterly mind boggling. The fact that it’s praised and championed by these evil, sadistic predators in these groups is just incomprehensible. These poor children.
Reading this I’m both saddened and horrified. The huge push toward a double mastectomy on this poor disturbed child is maddening. History will not be kind to these child mutilators.
This breaks my heart. I have a 15 year old, soon to be 16, granddaughter. I'm terrified for her in this culture. Mothers are supposed to be the final barrier to harm by others. Instead these misguided women are throwing their children under the bus. These pharmaceutical companies, and surgeons are despicable .
"Cutting" seems to be a fad among gloomy teens. "Cutting" followed by "coming out" seem to me rather indicative of someone who is simply susceptible to fads.
Uh oh, seems like someone has been invalidated before (you) and doesn't know how to accept others' behavior as out of their control (also you). Avril Lavigne is a fad; not violence.
You are not merely observing; you're not observing at all, you are speculating on a third-person perspective of a Facebook post and accepting it as fact. You are merely judging a story, please be accountable for what you're doing here. Yes, a person of celebrity can be a fad, so can fashion and music genres; violence and bodily harm are not fads.
Violence and bodily harm are not fads and I would be very surprised if your authors accepted your assertion. In order to be a fad, the act would have to accepted very enthusiastically by society as desired behavior, and I do believe you're aware enough to know that they are not. Please do not play dumb, if that is what you're doing. You're not representing your authors very well. And yes, I am speculating that you've been invalidated before; you got me there.
The naïveté of your comments reminds me of how futile these forums are, and why I typically don’t comment.
You’re merely demonstrating that you’ve never read anything relating to development child psychology. Even an undergrad course would demonstrate this for you. Yes, of course a child is “potential.” (Though, I don’t much care for “mysterious flowers.”) And yes, a child is “a person with feelings and emotions and thoughts.” This does absolutely nothing to the validity and accuracy of what I’ve said. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.
You can call it naïveté, you can call it futile; it all demonstrates your ineptitude to handle dissent as well as your incredibly anxious bias (is this for the love and protection of children, or is it for hubris?).
It's obvi that it doesn't matter what qualifications I have or don't have; even with proper scrutiny and evidence, you have decided to lower yourself to judging me instead of engaging in discourse.
This illustrates perfectly the all-or-nothing, with-us-or-against-use nature of this movement. Trans people, and those working in transgender health, should especially care about whether young people are getting the mental and emotional support they need, and not rushing into life-changing decisions they may regret.
If one isn’t seen to be 100% affirming, including medical transition of minors, then one is seen to be a transphobe, a bigot, an uncaring person. When in fact the opposite is true - we care deeply about the damage being inflicted on thousands of young people, and the looming medical scandal.
Four years ago I really didn’t see what all the fuss was about; I was supportive of broadening of trans rights including trans women being consider “honorary women” and allowed into many women’s spaces (though never sports; I always understood the difference between sex and gender). But I was not educated on what was actually happening: ‘self declared’ men who’ve never taken hormones or had surgery being let into women’s rape crisis centres, prisons, hospital wards and sports, minors having breasts removed, rising numbers of detransitioners with deep regret. Neither did I full realise what the movement’s claims actually were: that we should replace sex with an undefinable/unproven thing called ‘gender’, that men can actually become women and women men, that women don’t have the right to self-define or self-organise). So I’ve come to a new understanding of the issues, which is much deeper, much better informed, and much more reality-based.
For me, the most horrific part about having a child who identifies as trans is having to witness it. Regardless of whether this is something my teen believes he needs, for me, it's like someone actually torturing my child and being forced to watch, and at this point, having put a stop to blockers, it's just the psychological damage I'm dealing with. The thought of a surgeon operating on my child and removing healthy body parts makes me physically ill. This woman's maternal instinct has been short-circuited by social pressures and activist clinicians. If I wasn't so thoroughly disgusted, I would have pity on her, but I reserve that for her child who is sending a very clear message that this is a horrific mistake. If she goes through with this and has regret, which seems inevitable, her mother will have to live with the unbearable shame and self-loathing, which is almost punishment enough.
I feel for this psychotherapist who is caught in the legal insanity these lunatics and their ideological handlers have created. For the psychotherapists that might be reading, we are forming a new professional association that seeks to re-orient our profession to common sense. We mean that in the best clinical sense of that word. We are including divisions on optimal mental health, psychotherapy effectiveness, and traditional understandings for health and happiness. www.nationalpsychotherapyassociation.org
Signs of sexual abuse: • Anxiety about specific situations that didn’t previously prompt anxiety
• Avoiding specific people or places
• Persistent sadness or depression
• Low self-esteem
• Disturbed sleep or nightmares
• Self-harming behavior
• Suicidal thoughts
Maybe mom should explore other possibilities related to the child’s issues. There’s obvious trauma there, and it’s unlikely that lopping off the child’s breasts will address the real issue. This is child abuse, pure and simple. I do feel bad for the parents who have been manipulated into thinking they’re somehow doing the right thing. There’s no win here. At what point does child services step in and say “Stop the madness!”? They’re all culpable and are destroying an entire generation of our kids.
Jumping to sexual abuse would be no better than jumping to trans. This child is a multiple mess, and needs to develop emotional regulation. I feel for this therapist, but four years? Clearly some different methods or a different therapist are in order.
This story is absolutely insane. The moment that daughter got scared of the operation, the mother should have breathed a sigh of relief...
This happened to a fellow I know, daughter with autism, but 10 days before the op she desisted. The girl is still recovering from her brush with transgendersism, and the community that patted her on the back now hates her, but she's been saved.
My daughter... not sure what's happening, it's a struggle. BUT when she socially transitioned, we went to the school, and they suggested we go to the local children's medical services, where the doc was ready to put her on T... Even my daughter backed down, it was too fast. That doc is under investigation (for something I will find out this week) . But she continued nonetheless. I went down to the local shelter, asked 100 questions. I was told about three times that I would prefer my daughter's suicide, I wrote up the interview and am now persona non grata there. But I gave it all to my daughter and it shook her. Because I told her, I can only be honest. She's 18 now, and all I can do is hope that I made her think. She has the autist's mind, a high IQ, and she's very articulate.
So I continue trying to support other parents or friends of tras I know. None of them are euphoric.
"that doc is under investigation" - please keep us posted on this. The only thing that will stop this tranniensanity is getting the docs charged, getting them to lose medical privileges. Who initiated the investigation? Is it trans-related?
It is trans-related, because apparently he sped a couple of teens off to hormones and surgery too quickly, they were, like, 15... I'm on vacation for 2 weeks, and will start getting to work on this when I return.... My source is a mother of a trans teen, and she is quite well connected here...
JSD is a Woke SJW troll, here to tell us normal people about the Rainbow World and its wonders. How lucky for us that she has condescended to condescend to us normal non-Wack non-Woke normal people.
When the debate takes a turn into Michael Scott antics (like, it has been this whole time), then you know you're just here to witness transphobes echo each other without factual basis.
Do you listen to your patients and invalidate everything they say to you and say "it's just a fad," and dismiss their feelings just because they are not based in your reality? Or do you, a person equipped with the scientific method, investigate? To say "we understand the science" is arrogance; that statement demonstrates that you believe that understanding science is for those who hold the degrees, but I'm sure you know, even people with degrees are biased with how they use their knowledge. Arrogant AND pedantic at best.
And so is your really poor correlation between BIID and what the author has described in this fear-peddling blog. The article you linked did well to define it, however, nothing to defend what your author wrote. In fact, it's written in favor of bodily autonomy and even differentiates between unfreewill and freewill when making those decisions.
"One thing to note about gender-affirming care is how quickly an entire history of mental health problems is immediately explained away and ignored the moment any child “comes out” as transgender. Instead of viewing the sudden emergence of a trans identity as yet another manifestation of underlying mental issues, “gender dysphoria” is immediately taken to be the root cause underlying all of it, with transition viewed as a panacea."
Clearly it'd be a mistake to assume causality in either direction -- to assume that gender dysphoria is a result of other issues like ADHD/anxiety (which aren't generally known to cause confusion about gender), or to assume that the other issues are a result of gender dysphoria (since those issues usually occur on their own).
So, how should everyone involved determine which (if either) is the root cause?
Parents like this have "munchausen gender dysphoria by proxy". This mentally-ill mother is doing this to get comments from others about her Woke status.
I actually know a mom like that, but the deluded kid is a male. I hope they have not chopped his dick off.
Uh oh, someone believes they're a doctor and can accurately diagnose a psychological disorder over the internet.
I'm not a physician, but I am a doctor. I diagnose you with a terminal case of Woke SJW wackadoodleism. Listen to Jordan Peterson NOW to return to normality.
Bummer. You have enough schooling to be a doctor, yet not enough social aptitude to know when not to comment about something you know nothing about.
But I do know a ton about it. All that you know is that unicorns blow rainbows out their butts.
Spoken like a doctor!
I think you're trying to bore us with this looooong explanation of semantics and you're winning!
My youngest son was born with an abdominal malformation and had surgery to fix it when he was 9 months old. The surgeon called us during the operation to ask if we’d like her to go ahead and take out his appendix, as she was working right next to it anyway. We talked about it and agreed, but I STILL felt a little weird about okaying the removal of a superfluous but healthy small organ.
I can’t imagine this.
Transhausen By Proxy.
These are such compelling and heartbreaking stories. As I read them, I can’t imagine ever even considering having one of my children’s body parts literally chopped off. How this is even remotely something even one parent has viewed as “helping” their child is so utterly mind boggling. The fact that it’s praised and championed by these evil, sadistic predators in these groups is just incomprehensible. These poor children.
Reading this I’m both saddened and horrified. The huge push toward a double mastectomy on this poor disturbed child is maddening. History will not be kind to these child mutilators.
This breaks my heart. I have a 15 year old, soon to be 16, granddaughter. I'm terrified for her in this culture. Mothers are supposed to be the final barrier to harm by others. Instead these misguided women are throwing their children under the bus. These pharmaceutical companies, and surgeons are despicable .
"Cutting" seems to be a fad among gloomy teens. "Cutting" followed by "coming out" seem to me rather indicative of someone who is simply susceptible to fads.
Uh oh, seems like someone has been invalidated before (you) and doesn't know how to accept others' behavior as out of their control (also you). Avril Lavigne is a fad; not violence.
"...seems like someone has been invalidated..."
Oh? Please tell me when/how I was 'invalidated.'
"...doesn't know how to accept others' behavior as out of their control..."
How does merely observing a possible epidemiological aspect of the issue allow me to 'control' anything?
"Avril Lavigne is a fad; not violence."
'Violence' (by which I assume you mean cutting) cannot be a fad? A *person* can be a fad, but not behavior?
JSD appears to be a Woke SJW troll.
"...Woke SJW troll."
A triple redundancy.
Suicide and cutting have long been understood as contagious phenomena.
Are you racist because you think western top surgery is morally superior to FGM?
Or do you also think FGM is enlightened?
There is no difference between FGM and "gender-affirming" surgery. It's all mutilation.
I'm sorry, Emma; what? Any deliberate act against someone's will is an act of violence and control.
You are not merely observing; you're not observing at all, you are speculating on a third-person perspective of a Facebook post and accepting it as fact. You are merely judging a story, please be accountable for what you're doing here. Yes, a person of celebrity can be a fad, so can fashion and music genres; violence and bodily harm are not fads.
"...violence and bodily harm are not fads."
Because...?
"...you're not observing at all..."
The uptick in both 'cutting' and 'coming out' are factual matters.
"...please be accountable for what you're doing here."
Same to you. Too bad the coming massive wave of lawsuits won't touch any of the faddish cheerleaders like yourself.
You still haven't told me how I was 'invalidated.' Perhaps you're just "speculating on a third-person perspective"?
Violence and bodily harm are not fads and I would be very surprised if your authors accepted your assertion. In order to be a fad, the act would have to accepted very enthusiastically by society as desired behavior, and I do believe you're aware enough to know that they are not. Please do not play dumb, if that is what you're doing. You're not representing your authors very well. And yes, I am speculating that you've been invalidated before; you got me there.
"In order to be a fad, the act would have to accepted very enthusiastically by society as desired behavior..."
Really? There's no such thing as a destructive fad? All fads are positive and embraced by society? Who knew!
"Please do not play dumb..."
Sound advice.
The naïveté of your comments reminds me of how futile these forums are, and why I typically don’t comment.
You’re merely demonstrating that you’ve never read anything relating to development child psychology. Even an undergrad course would demonstrate this for you. Yes, of course a child is “potential.” (Though, I don’t much care for “mysterious flowers.”) And yes, a child is “a person with feelings and emotions and thoughts.” This does absolutely nothing to the validity and accuracy of what I’ve said. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.
You can call it naïveté, you can call it futile; it all demonstrates your ineptitude to handle dissent as well as your incredibly anxious bias (is this for the love and protection of children, or is it for hubris?).
It's obvi that it doesn't matter what qualifications I have or don't have; even with proper scrutiny and evidence, you have decided to lower yourself to judging me instead of engaging in discourse.
I started reading this but I just couldn't. May God have mercy on us all.
This illustrates perfectly the all-or-nothing, with-us-or-against-use nature of this movement. Trans people, and those working in transgender health, should especially care about whether young people are getting the mental and emotional support they need, and not rushing into life-changing decisions they may regret.
If one isn’t seen to be 100% affirming, including medical transition of minors, then one is seen to be a transphobe, a bigot, an uncaring person. When in fact the opposite is true - we care deeply about the damage being inflicted on thousands of young people, and the looming medical scandal.
Four years ago I really didn’t see what all the fuss was about; I was supportive of broadening of trans rights including trans women being consider “honorary women” and allowed into many women’s spaces (though never sports; I always understood the difference between sex and gender). But I was not educated on what was actually happening: ‘self declared’ men who’ve never taken hormones or had surgery being let into women’s rape crisis centres, prisons, hospital wards and sports, minors having breasts removed, rising numbers of detransitioners with deep regret. Neither did I full realise what the movement’s claims actually were: that we should replace sex with an undefinable/unproven thing called ‘gender’, that men can actually become women and women men, that women don’t have the right to self-define or self-organise). So I’ve come to a new understanding of the issues, which is much deeper, much better informed, and much more reality-based.
Uh oh, someone (you) has entirely misunderstood the sexual liberation movement.
With your views on things, sex is just a theory. I can't imagine anyone actually doing something with you.
Uh oh, I don't remember sharing any views with you at all. Seems you're mistaking me with some other gorgeous SJW.
For me, the most horrific part about having a child who identifies as trans is having to witness it. Regardless of whether this is something my teen believes he needs, for me, it's like someone actually torturing my child and being forced to watch, and at this point, having put a stop to blockers, it's just the psychological damage I'm dealing with. The thought of a surgeon operating on my child and removing healthy body parts makes me physically ill. This woman's maternal instinct has been short-circuited by social pressures and activist clinicians. If I wasn't so thoroughly disgusted, I would have pity on her, but I reserve that for her child who is sending a very clear message that this is a horrific mistake. If she goes through with this and has regret, which seems inevitable, her mother will have to live with the unbearable shame and self-loathing, which is almost punishment enough.
I feel for this psychotherapist who is caught in the legal insanity these lunatics and their ideological handlers have created. For the psychotherapists that might be reading, we are forming a new professional association that seeks to re-orient our profession to common sense. We mean that in the best clinical sense of that word. We are including divisions on optimal mental health, psychotherapy effectiveness, and traditional understandings for health and happiness. www.nationalpsychotherapyassociation.org
If you are so inclined, email me at regnad.kcin.fst@gmail.com for information that might be of some interest to you.
Signs of sexual abuse: • Anxiety about specific situations that didn’t previously prompt anxiety
• Avoiding specific people or places
• Persistent sadness or depression
• Low self-esteem
• Disturbed sleep or nightmares
• Self-harming behavior
• Suicidal thoughts
Maybe mom should explore other possibilities related to the child’s issues. There’s obvious trauma there, and it’s unlikely that lopping off the child’s breasts will address the real issue. This is child abuse, pure and simple. I do feel bad for the parents who have been manipulated into thinking they’re somehow doing the right thing. There’s no win here. At what point does child services step in and say “Stop the madness!”? They’re all culpable and are destroying an entire generation of our kids.
Jumping to sexual abuse would be no better than jumping to trans. This child is a multiple mess, and needs to develop emotional regulation. I feel for this therapist, but four years? Clearly some different methods or a different therapist are in order.
Inappropriate sexual behavior or sexual knowledge is also a sign of child sexual abuse (inappropriate internet searches?).
This story is absolutely insane. The moment that daughter got scared of the operation, the mother should have breathed a sigh of relief...
This happened to a fellow I know, daughter with autism, but 10 days before the op she desisted. The girl is still recovering from her brush with transgendersism, and the community that patted her on the back now hates her, but she's been saved.
My daughter... not sure what's happening, it's a struggle. BUT when she socially transitioned, we went to the school, and they suggested we go to the local children's medical services, where the doc was ready to put her on T... Even my daughter backed down, it was too fast. That doc is under investigation (for something I will find out this week) . But she continued nonetheless. I went down to the local shelter, asked 100 questions. I was told about three times that I would prefer my daughter's suicide, I wrote up the interview and am now persona non grata there. But I gave it all to my daughter and it shook her. Because I told her, I can only be honest. She's 18 now, and all I can do is hope that I made her think. She has the autist's mind, a high IQ, and she's very articulate.
So I continue trying to support other parents or friends of tras I know. None of them are euphoric.
"that doc is under investigation" - please keep us posted on this. The only thing that will stop this tranniensanity is getting the docs charged, getting them to lose medical privileges. Who initiated the investigation? Is it trans-related?
It is trans-related, because apparently he sped a couple of teens off to hormones and surgery too quickly, they were, like, 15... I'm on vacation for 2 weeks, and will start getting to work on this when I return.... My source is a mother of a trans teen, and she is quite well connected here...
This blog is peddling a lot of fear.
Uh oh, someone is being 'triggered.'
JSD is a Woke SJW troll, here to tell us normal people about the Rainbow World and its wonders. How lucky for us that she has condescended to condescend to us normal non-Wack non-Woke normal people.
Uh oh, someone's been triggered, and their name is spelled G-E-O-R-G-E.
So clever!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdClU22dXtU
When the debate takes a turn into Michael Scott antics (like, it has been this whole time), then you know you're just here to witness transphobes echo each other without factual basis.
"their name" - "his name" - do not MISGENDER ME, honeypie.
I'm really glad you clarified, I'd hate to offend you, sir.
JSD is a concern troll, here to spy on trans-skeptics. She is not a person of good will, but is rather a divisive and destructive one.
Do you listen to your patients and invalidate everything they say to you and say "it's just a fad," and dismiss their feelings just because they are not based in your reality? Or do you, a person equipped with the scientific method, investigate? To say "we understand the science" is arrogance; that statement demonstrates that you believe that understanding science is for those who hold the degrees, but I'm sure you know, even people with degrees are biased with how they use their knowledge. Arrogant AND pedantic at best.
Your sarcasm is noted.
And so is your really poor correlation between BIID and what the author has described in this fear-peddling blog. The article you linked did well to define it, however, nothing to defend what your author wrote. In fact, it's written in favor of bodily autonomy and even differentiates between unfreewill and freewill when making those decisions.
I'd hardly equate the liberation of transgender peoples as social contagion when only .6% of the adult population in the US is identifies as transgender. [https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity.html]
Y'all, the people peddling fear in this thread, really love to overhype what you believe is being overhyped.
Flabbergasted at this story but grateful that this publication is shining some light on how this ideology is ruining kids and society at large.
"One thing to note about gender-affirming care is how quickly an entire history of mental health problems is immediately explained away and ignored the moment any child “comes out” as transgender. Instead of viewing the sudden emergence of a trans identity as yet another manifestation of underlying mental issues, “gender dysphoria” is immediately taken to be the root cause underlying all of it, with transition viewed as a panacea."
Clearly it'd be a mistake to assume causality in either direction -- to assume that gender dysphoria is a result of other issues like ADHD/anxiety (which aren't generally known to cause confusion about gender), or to assume that the other issues are a result of gender dysphoria (since those issues usually occur on their own).
So, how should everyone involved determine which (if either) is the root cause?