> the unexpected alliance between far-right Christian nationalists and extremist Muslim influencers
You can find an example of anything you want to find but is this really a big problem? It seems to me that one of the most common themes on The Right -- who ever The Right may happen to be, let's just say that they are the unwoke -- is a de…
> the unexpected alliance between far-right Christian nationalists and extremist Muslim influencers
You can find an example of anything you want to find but is this really a big problem? It seems to me that one of the most common themes on The Right -- who ever The Right may happen to be, let's just say that they are the unwoke -- is a deep hostility to Islam. If Trump defines the center of gravity of American Rightness, then The Right is staunchly pro Israel. It has always been the case that the further Right you go among Christians, the more pro Israel they become -- the theology is that the Rapture can't happen until Jesus returns literally to Jerusalem an all the Jews convert ... or something like that. Nope, there may be 'Influencers' like the Tates who admire the brutal misogyny of Islam but those dudes are Christians in about the same way Hitler was.
White/Western/Christian civilization faces three existential threats at the moment: blackness, wokeness and Islam, and since a common enemy makes strange bedfellows, we see those three forces unite -- very temporarily -- in the common goal of destruction of the West. If some nut case 'Christians' think they can ally with the Muslims, they are like commies trying to cozy up to the Nazis in 1939.
On the contrary I'm pointing out that the Right is so fractured that the only thing that unites them is that they are unwoke. And Hitler made many pious claims that he was a Christian -- baloney of course, but he did make the claim. In the same way, what the Tate brothers have to say about Christianity is of zero value.
Well Hitler did that to get his audience on board, didn’t he? I suppose Tate too.
You said that all the Right is hostile to Islam and loves Israel. Sure a large majority do, but people like Candace Owens not so much. She doesn’t think an Israeli child is worth more than a Palestinian child, for example, so isn’t too impressed by Israel’s carpet bombing of Gaza. Personally I don’t think that makes her anti-Semitic - she just doesn’t agree with the policies of the Israeli government.
I do think we could characterise a kind of Woke Right, actually, and that would be those that cry anti-semitism at the slightest hint of criticism of a foreign government (Israel).
> Well Hitler did that to get his audience on board, didn’t he? I suppose Tate too.
Exactly my point. Colin is being silly claiming that what Tate says has any real relevance to Christianity. Did I mention that I have nothing but contempt for Twitter?
> Sure a large majority do
... which is as much as can be said. Of course there are exceptions. You can find ANYTHING out there if you go looking for it. What's useful tho is where the center of gravity is. Any Christian-Muslim alliance is confined to some twits on Twitter. I'm more worried about the Flat Earth Society taking over astronomy.
> Personally I don’t think that makes her anti-Semitic
Me either. I'm 'pro-Palestinian' -- they deserve the human rights we'd want for ourselves -- but also an 'Islamophobe' -- their values are very different from ours and the two do not mix.
> I do think we could characterise a kind of Woke Right
Surely. Some on the Right have learned the art of Victimhood -- after all Victimhood is the language of power at the moment so get on board.
I’d agree with most of that. Your Islamophobia less so… there are such different degrees of Islam, same with other religions. I work with Muslim girls who wear no headscarves, and they and the male Muslim are very decent people who do not judge others harshly. They are still pious though - observe Ramadan and have gone on pilgrimage to Mecca. These people are lovely and I welcome them.
Then there are those who live under Sharia law - I’m not into that so much!
Have you read the Quran? Islam is the religion of conquest. Notwithstanding that your average Muslim can be an ordinary decent person, the deep truth is that their religion teaches that, eventually, the whole world must submit to Islam or die. Sharia is the law of God himself. Polls are unanimous that most Muslims believe that Sharia must take precedence over all other laws. In Islam there is no separation between mosque and state -- the Caliph is the ruler of the world and also the leader of the Faithful.
To be Muslim and not take it as given that world conquest is the goal is like being a Christian who doesn't believe in Jesus or a Mormon who doesn't believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet or a Flat Earther who goes on an around the world tour.
Yeah, I’m not into the no separation between church and state aspect at all. Nor am I a big fan of the idea that everyone must be converted or die. Christianity was once like that, too, of course.
And students of history know that the torch of civilization was once carried by Islam. Alas, *at the moment* Islam is in the grip of a horrible surge of fundamentalist brutality and it is willful blindness not to notice that -- they openly call for the destruction of the West ... and all infidels with it.
I ask an ugly question: when the Caliphate is declared, will your lovely Moslem friends risk their lives defending you or will they rather cut your throat if ordered to by their fundamentalist brothers?
A parallel: when Hitler came to power some say the problem was that there were too many Nazis. On the contrary, there were only a minority of Nazis. The problem was that too *few* ordinary Germans were willing to take a stand against them -- they went with the flow. When the war for Western civilization starts, who's side will your and my Muslim friends be on?
The Protestant revolution did create Satanic Chaos, gave Kings excuse to do anything (Before they were limited by Catholic doctrines and ethics.)
It is sad that Traditional Catholic History must false-witnessed by those conflating Satanic Warped versions of us, under 'Christians'
In a Right Ordered Just reality the State would be under the Church being limited by Her, and the State would be beside the Church in other ways. They Serve Man and God differently.
After the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of the Jews by the Romans, the same Romans in Pilot those Christ Killing Leaders used to Kill Jesus, the old Jewish Law (without Christ the Messiah) could not be followed. The 'lost' Jews use man created rules from Torah and the [demonic] Talmud with many followers' prayers to Satan as well as a god that is considered the male-female duality Being.
A good overview of Talmud to get people started is here "American Pravda: Oddities of the Jewish Religion", The Surprising Elements of Talmudic Judaism, Ron Unz, July 16, 2018
Every Catholic (should be every Christian) do not hate even enemies, God decrees we love even our enemies, for our Love of God. So, know a lair and slanderer that suggest or testifies otherwise, they are mind-rapers that would program and drive you as their Tool, their Golem, to Sin for them, predator, to unJustly victimize their victims. They yell-out in pain as they stab you.
As far as 'Christ is King' and antisemitism, the Traditional Catholic's response is correct. I would add that it is a Sin, False Witness, and Satanic in lies that are designed and with the further Goal of unJustly damaging Reputations of good Catholics and the [Real] Traditional Catholic Church.
We Catholics, and you all, are all Palestinians now, and have been. Would they lie to you? They would and will kill you and all you love, if and when they can, for a dollar or the pleasure of Profits of Genocide.
May this comment find us all ever closer to God, and His Truth.
"Me either. I'm 'pro-Palestinian' -- they deserve the human rights we'd want for ourselves -- but also an 'Islamophobe' -- their values are very different from ours and the two do not mix."
You do realize that there are Christian Palestinians, israel bombed those Churches and snipered dead innocent Christian men women and Children as readily as the Muslim's innocent families and their Mosques, did you no see those videos of Gazan children executed with head shots - those genocidal psycho Zionist Supremist snipers high-5ed nearly as much as when they kill a pregnant Palestinian "One shot, two kills!"
And before the 75+ years of Zionist terrorism leading to the open genocide that in Palestine Muslims, Christians, and Jews live well side-by-side?
.. perhaps UNGA can reVote on Nationhood for israel after review of last 75+ years, and perhaps then the best solution would occur, the 1-State Solution.
As a Traditional Catholic I am conservative, am I in your 'Right?'
When Houthis, Hazzabla, Hamas, and Iran are the only groups actively fighting against israeli Genocide I am Ashamed of rest of the world - most are not worthy to wipe their bottoms .. I do not know what or where such virtue comes from but it should be valued and injected into all our demonic-controlled septic sick souls.
Oh, back in the day when there was no internet and if you - Eugine - wanted to False-Witness lying reputation damaging hate for 'bad-think' you would have to write a flier and mail to your victim, entire town, and at night sneak around posting them on telephone poles and public building doors.
If they had even half a gonad and raised with a father that showed him or her what Honor and virtue were than they might get into a public debate-argument, and if they called their victim a liar they would risk losing teeth with general support from community because disrespecting someone without proof and examples was known to be a beat them blood loving correction situation so that slimball would think twice about calling other men liars, a beating that should have been done at a young age by the father - had his divorce-raping devouring mother not destroyed his hope for life's success with father's guidance.
Now, disHonor and risk-free false-witnessing is rewarded. The AI bot or NPC-programmed golem-tool of satan spews accusation after others, without example - like here!
We are to wonder if maybe the accused lie -if any- is that other countries are humanitarianly fighting genocidal israel .. hmm, no more are call terrorists by GreatSatan so must not be others.
Perhaps the lie is that he is worthy of wiping those virtuous soldiers bottoms? That must be it. Perhaps he is worthy of cleaning their bottoms, but me not know he is an exception is not a lie, but ignorance of his bottom wiping worthiness, perhaps he was a talent that he is sometime paid to do, going bar-to-bar and for $0.25 he wipes bottoms of biker gangs and random sloppy drunks, and the local paper announced an award he so worthy. Maybe.
> Oh, back in the day when there was no internet and if you - Eugine - wanted to False-Witness lying reputation damaging hate for 'bad-think' you would have to write a flier and mail to your victim
Your the one bearing False-Witness with your ridiculous genocide accusation. But given your mental issues, I should probably be patient.
You must be a resource wasting AI Bot, otherwise you would know the UN ICC ruling of 'likely genocidal israel'
and those professionals that go see and report and analyze all agree that it is Genocide, intentional Amalec killing of man, women, child, livestock, etc.
Here is one UN professional interviewed by a turd-brain Zionist-Genocide corp-media supporter and excuser;
Of the two, which one on video do you most closely identify with; looks, ignorance, blind Zionist support, turd-headish-retardation, actively willfully distracting interrupting lying, or perhaps you see that the hair is like yours .. whatever stiffens you?
> the unexpected alliance between far-right Christian nationalists and extremist Muslim influencers
You can find an example of anything you want to find but is this really a big problem? It seems to me that one of the most common themes on The Right -- who ever The Right may happen to be, let's just say that they are the unwoke -- is a deep hostility to Islam. If Trump defines the center of gravity of American Rightness, then The Right is staunchly pro Israel. It has always been the case that the further Right you go among Christians, the more pro Israel they become -- the theology is that the Rapture can't happen until Jesus returns literally to Jerusalem an all the Jews convert ... or something like that. Nope, there may be 'Influencers' like the Tates who admire the brutal misogyny of Islam but those dudes are Christians in about the same way Hitler was.
White/Western/Christian civilization faces three existential threats at the moment: blackness, wokeness and Islam, and since a common enemy makes strange bedfellows, we see those three forces unite -- very temporarily -- in the common goal of destruction of the West. If some nut case 'Christians' think they can ally with the Muslims, they are like commies trying to cozy up to the Nazis in 1939.
You are over-simplifying the Right, here. And Hitler wasn’t actually Christian at all, he was an occult pagan.
On the contrary I'm pointing out that the Right is so fractured that the only thing that unites them is that they are unwoke. And Hitler made many pious claims that he was a Christian -- baloney of course, but he did make the claim. In the same way, what the Tate brothers have to say about Christianity is of zero value.
Well Hitler did that to get his audience on board, didn’t he? I suppose Tate too.
You said that all the Right is hostile to Islam and loves Israel. Sure a large majority do, but people like Candace Owens not so much. She doesn’t think an Israeli child is worth more than a Palestinian child, for example, so isn’t too impressed by Israel’s carpet bombing of Gaza. Personally I don’t think that makes her anti-Semitic - she just doesn’t agree with the policies of the Israeli government.
I do think we could characterise a kind of Woke Right, actually, and that would be those that cry anti-semitism at the slightest hint of criticism of a foreign government (Israel).
> Well Hitler did that to get his audience on board, didn’t he? I suppose Tate too.
Exactly my point. Colin is being silly claiming that what Tate says has any real relevance to Christianity. Did I mention that I have nothing but contempt for Twitter?
> Sure a large majority do
... which is as much as can be said. Of course there are exceptions. You can find ANYTHING out there if you go looking for it. What's useful tho is where the center of gravity is. Any Christian-Muslim alliance is confined to some twits on Twitter. I'm more worried about the Flat Earth Society taking over astronomy.
> Personally I don’t think that makes her anti-Semitic
Me either. I'm 'pro-Palestinian' -- they deserve the human rights we'd want for ourselves -- but also an 'Islamophobe' -- their values are very different from ours and the two do not mix.
> I do think we could characterise a kind of Woke Right
Surely. Some on the Right have learned the art of Victimhood -- after all Victimhood is the language of power at the moment so get on board.
I’d agree with most of that. Your Islamophobia less so… there are such different degrees of Islam, same with other religions. I work with Muslim girls who wear no headscarves, and they and the male Muslim are very decent people who do not judge others harshly. They are still pious though - observe Ramadan and have gone on pilgrimage to Mecca. These people are lovely and I welcome them.
Then there are those who live under Sharia law - I’m not into that so much!
Have you read the Quran? Islam is the religion of conquest. Notwithstanding that your average Muslim can be an ordinary decent person, the deep truth is that their religion teaches that, eventually, the whole world must submit to Islam or die. Sharia is the law of God himself. Polls are unanimous that most Muslims believe that Sharia must take precedence over all other laws. In Islam there is no separation between mosque and state -- the Caliph is the ruler of the world and also the leader of the Faithful.
Ray — A moderate Muslim is one who is not in a great hurry to conquer the world. It’s still the ultimate goal, of course.
To be Muslim and not take it as given that world conquest is the goal is like being a Christian who doesn't believe in Jesus or a Mormon who doesn't believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet or a Flat Earther who goes on an around the world tour.
Yeah, I’m not into the no separation between church and state aspect at all. Nor am I a big fan of the idea that everyone must be converted or die. Christianity was once like that, too, of course.
And students of history know that the torch of civilization was once carried by Islam. Alas, *at the moment* Islam is in the grip of a horrible surge of fundamentalist brutality and it is willful blindness not to notice that -- they openly call for the destruction of the West ... and all infidels with it.
I ask an ugly question: when the Caliphate is declared, will your lovely Moslem friends risk their lives defending you or will they rather cut your throat if ordered to by their fundamentalist brothers?
A parallel: when Hitler came to power some say the problem was that there were too many Nazis. On the contrary, there were only a minority of Nazis. The problem was that too *few* ordinary Germans were willing to take a stand against them -- they went with the flow. When the war for Western civilization starts, who's side will your and my Muslim friends be on?
La chat,
The Protestant revolution did create Satanic Chaos, gave Kings excuse to do anything (Before they were limited by Catholic doctrines and ethics.)
It is sad that Traditional Catholic History must false-witnessed by those conflating Satanic Warped versions of us, under 'Christians'
In a Right Ordered Just reality the State would be under the Church being limited by Her, and the State would be beside the Church in other ways. They Serve Man and God differently.
Ray,
Have you read the Talmud?
After the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of the Jews by the Romans, the same Romans in Pilot those Christ Killing Leaders used to Kill Jesus, the old Jewish Law (without Christ the Messiah) could not be followed. The 'lost' Jews use man created rules from Torah and the [demonic] Talmud with many followers' prayers to Satan as well as a god that is considered the male-female duality Being.
A good overview of Talmud to get people started is here "American Pravda: Oddities of the Jewish Religion", The Surprising Elements of Talmudic Judaism, Ron Unz, July 16, 2018
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion
Every Catholic (should be every Christian) do not hate even enemies, God decrees we love even our enemies, for our Love of God. So, know a lair and slanderer that suggest or testifies otherwise, they are mind-rapers that would program and drive you as their Tool, their Golem, to Sin for them, predator, to unJustly victimize their victims. They yell-out in pain as they stab you.
As far as 'Christ is King' and antisemitism, the Traditional Catholic's response is correct. I would add that it is a Sin, False Witness, and Satanic in lies that are designed and with the further Goal of unJustly damaging Reputations of good Catholics and the [Real] Traditional Catholic Church.
We Catholics, and you all, are all Palestinians now, and have been. Would they lie to you? They would and will kill you and all you love, if and when they can, for a dollar or the pleasure of Profits of Genocide.
May this comment find us all ever closer to God, and His Truth.
God Bless., Steve
BTW I have the greatest respect for Colin but this article is not up to his usual level of thoughtfulness.
"Me either. I'm 'pro-Palestinian' -- they deserve the human rights we'd want for ourselves -- but also an 'Islamophobe' -- their values are very different from ours and the two do not mix."
You do realize that there are Christian Palestinians, israel bombed those Churches and snipered dead innocent Christian men women and Children as readily as the Muslim's innocent families and their Mosques, did you no see those videos of Gazan children executed with head shots - those genocidal psycho Zionist Supremist snipers high-5ed nearly as much as when they kill a pregnant Palestinian "One shot, two kills!"
And before the 75+ years of Zionist terrorism leading to the open genocide that in Palestine Muslims, Christians, and Jews live well side-by-side?
.. perhaps UNGA can reVote on Nationhood for israel after review of last 75+ years, and perhaps then the best solution would occur, the 1-State Solution.
As a Traditional Catholic I am conservative, am I in your 'Right?'
When Houthis, Hazzabla, Hamas, and Iran are the only groups actively fighting against israeli Genocide I am Ashamed of rest of the world - most are not worthy to wipe their bottoms .. I do not know what or where such virtue comes from but it should be valued and injected into all our demonic-controlled septic sick souls.
Yes?
> When Houthis, Hazzabla, Hamas, and Iran are the only groups actively fighting against israeli Genocide I am Ashamed of rest of the world
But you're not ashamed about blatantly lying.
Tells me everything I need to know about the kind of "Christian" you are.
Edit: just looked at your activity, hope your schizophrenia gets better.
Oh, back in the day when there was no internet and if you - Eugine - wanted to False-Witness lying reputation damaging hate for 'bad-think' you would have to write a flier and mail to your victim, entire town, and at night sneak around posting them on telephone poles and public building doors.
If they had even half a gonad and raised with a father that showed him or her what Honor and virtue were than they might get into a public debate-argument, and if they called their victim a liar they would risk losing teeth with general support from community because disrespecting someone without proof and examples was known to be a beat them blood loving correction situation so that slimball would think twice about calling other men liars, a beating that should have been done at a young age by the father - had his divorce-raping devouring mother not destroyed his hope for life's success with father's guidance.
Now, disHonor and risk-free false-witnessing is rewarded. The AI bot or NPC-programmed golem-tool of satan spews accusation after others, without example - like here!
We are to wonder if maybe the accused lie -if any- is that other countries are humanitarianly fighting genocidal israel .. hmm, no more are call terrorists by GreatSatan so must not be others.
Perhaps the lie is that he is worthy of wiping those virtuous soldiers bottoms? That must be it. Perhaps he is worthy of cleaning their bottoms, but me not know he is an exception is not a lie, but ignorance of his bottom wiping worthiness, perhaps he was a talent that he is sometime paid to do, going bar-to-bar and for $0.25 he wipes bottoms of biker gangs and random sloppy drunks, and the local paper announced an award he so worthy. Maybe.
> Oh, back in the day when there was no internet and if you - Eugine - wanted to False-Witness lying reputation damaging hate for 'bad-think' you would have to write a flier and mail to your victim
Your the one bearing False-Witness with your ridiculous genocide accusation. But given your mental issues, I should probably be patient.
You must be a resource wasting AI Bot, otherwise you would know the UN ICC ruling of 'likely genocidal israel'
and those professionals that go see and report and analyze all agree that it is Genocide, intentional Amalec killing of man, women, child, livestock, etc.
Here is one UN professional interviewed by a turd-brain Zionist-Genocide corp-media supporter and excuser;
"Israeli strikes on Gaza kill hundreds, Francesca Albanese reacts | podcast"
https://youtu.be/DvoY66qwWCY
Of the two, which one on video do you most closely identify with; looks, ignorance, blind Zionist support, turd-headish-retardation, actively willfully distracting interrupting lying, or perhaps you see that the hair is like yours .. whatever stiffens you?
Funny how people who otherwise claim to be "anti-globalists" completely believe anything the UN ICC says, but only when it comes to Israel.
Substitute "blackness" with "white people cosplaying blackness" and you might be on to something. Otherwise, nah.
Oh! I forgot! Add Trumpism to the list.