And I've likewise taken more than a few shots at Walsh and Company. For example, from the latter comment, my opening salvo which also wound up in a Note:
"But Walsh, in effect, mashes all of those personality traits – the 15 dimensions (and counting) of them that you described -- into the definitions for male and female; he is basically saying that “sex” and “gender” are synonymous. Rather bizarre at best since his view implies that if an adult human male isn’t out raping and pillaging then he’s clearly letting down the team."
But seems the whole point of Reed's post was to emphasize, quite reasonably, some serious flaws on both sides of the fence. They say that no one complains until it is their own ox being gored, but if everyone gets in a huff and refuses to take any responsibility then I doubt the general problem is going to get fixed.
I agree with you and it doesn't help when a broad group of people are lumped together, or when those outside the foxhole being attacked can't see a problem until a bomb lands on their own foxhole, or as you put it, their ox gets gored. We'll keep going back and forth like a teeter-totter as each "side" backlashes against the other. I was making a point to another reader about the tendency of way too many people to lump women (or blacks) together. For instance, I've never in my 62 years heard someone say "He makes men look bad" when speaking of a white male. But I've heard a zillion times "She makes women look bad" or "He makes blacks look bad." The other reader disputed me but couldn't come up with even one example to disprove me. The very next news article I read was about a hoax kidnapping in Alabama. One of the comments stated "She makes black women look bad." No person of either sex or any color makes the rest of humanity that share their superficial characteristics "look bad." This woman only made herself look bad. https://listverse.com/2019/01/09/10-people-who-faked-their-own-kidnappings/
kmick: "... it doesn't help when a broad group of people are lumped together ..."
Agreed. Maybe I and Helen Dale should have said that the "transcult is the bastard child of some sects of feminism". 😉🙂 But there are some seriously "problematic" aspects to many of them -- some 20 in total at least according to Wikipedia:
I sure don't have much of a handle on all of them, but not sure that women in general have been all that well-served by them. One thing I have read is at least the review of "Professing Feminism" by Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge which presumably gives some indication of the rot in many of those sects. An illustrative quote from that review:
FC: "The authors, however, demonstrate that these problems have existed since their ideology’s inception, and were particularly common within Women Studies programs. The authors wrote of the isolationist attitude that dominates many of the programs, along with a virulent anti-science, anti-intellectual sentiment driving many of the professors, staff and students."
Not to say that there aren't similar problems on the Walsh side of the equation. Kaeley Harms of "Honest To Goodness" seems to have a couple of solid articles thereon:
Going to take some effort to get both sides to consider their "failings", to get more people to take a serious look at what is being peddled by our so-called "leaders" and "experts". Somewhat apropos of which, I wonder where you stand on what seems to be the most sensible and common view that sex and gender are two entirely different kettles of fish. On the view that "gender" is most usefully defined as masculine and feminine personalities, one of the more useful if not brilliant insights to come out of feminism:
Good point. Wonder whether it's partly due to the size of the subgroup, the extent to which members of them are attached to or identify with that group. Kind of amusing though illuminating case of that in an old bit from black comedian Reginald D. Hunter @13:00 to about @20:00 :
He starts off at about the 10 minute mark on racism but then goes into a routine where he asks, "Are you ever embarrassed by your own people sometimes?" And then he answers with a vignette about hearing on the six o’clock news in Georgia, “Robbery and shooting at local bank; details at 11” which he follows up with “Please god, don’t let it be a black guy!” 🙂
Seems we all have an entirely natural tendency to empathize with “our own people”, and to see an attack on any one of that group as an attack on ourselves: “my tribe, right or wrong”, "four legs good, two legs bad" – the cause of no end of grief and difficulties.
kmick: "... Rwanda, Hitler, Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Every single one was started by a FEMINIST hiding under the bed."
Glad we can agree on that as a starting point ... 😉🙂 But seems a bit of a sore point for you.
Think I've been pretty clear -- multiple times, dozens of times -- in acknowledging "feminism" has more than a few justified grievances; see:
https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/feminism-or-conservatism-which-is/comment/21825823
https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/feminism-or-conservatism-which-is/comment/21666913
And I've likewise taken more than a few shots at Walsh and Company. For example, from the latter comment, my opening salvo which also wound up in a Note:
"But Walsh, in effect, mashes all of those personality traits – the 15 dimensions (and counting) of them that you described -- into the definitions for male and female; he is basically saying that “sex” and “gender” are synonymous. Rather bizarre at best since his view implies that if an adult human male isn’t out raping and pillaging then he’s clearly letting down the team."
Further elaborations on that latter theme here:
https://kaeleytrillerharms.substack.com/p/i-dont-really-want-to-talk-about/comment/18411953
But seems the whole point of Reed's post was to emphasize, quite reasonably, some serious flaws on both sides of the fence. They say that no one complains until it is their own ox being gored, but if everyone gets in a huff and refuses to take any responsibility then I doubt the general problem is going to get fixed.
I agree with you and it doesn't help when a broad group of people are lumped together, or when those outside the foxhole being attacked can't see a problem until a bomb lands on their own foxhole, or as you put it, their ox gets gored. We'll keep going back and forth like a teeter-totter as each "side" backlashes against the other. I was making a point to another reader about the tendency of way too many people to lump women (or blacks) together. For instance, I've never in my 62 years heard someone say "He makes men look bad" when speaking of a white male. But I've heard a zillion times "She makes women look bad" or "He makes blacks look bad." The other reader disputed me but couldn't come up with even one example to disprove me. The very next news article I read was about a hoax kidnapping in Alabama. One of the comments stated "She makes black women look bad." No person of either sex or any color makes the rest of humanity that share their superficial characteristics "look bad." This woman only made herself look bad. https://listverse.com/2019/01/09/10-people-who-faked-their-own-kidnappings/
kmick: "... it doesn't help when a broad group of people are lumped together ..."
Agreed. Maybe I and Helen Dale should have said that the "transcult is the bastard child of some sects of feminism". 😉🙂 But there are some seriously "problematic" aspects to many of them -- some 20 in total at least according to Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_movements_and_ideologies
I sure don't have much of a handle on all of them, but not sure that women in general have been all that well-served by them. One thing I have read is at least the review of "Professing Feminism" by Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge which presumably gives some indication of the rot in many of those sects. An illustrative quote from that review:
FC: "The authors, however, demonstrate that these problems have existed since their ideology’s inception, and were particularly common within Women Studies programs. The authors wrote of the isolationist attitude that dominates many of the programs, along with a virulent anti-science, anti-intellectual sentiment driving many of the professors, staff and students."
https://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2009/07/27/professing-feminism-noh/
Not to say that there aren't similar problems on the Walsh side of the equation. Kaeley Harms of "Honest To Goodness" seems to have a couple of solid articles thereon:
https://kaeleytrillerharms.substack.com/p/christian-patriarchy-is-not-the-solution
Going to take some effort to get both sides to consider their "failings", to get more people to take a serious look at what is being peddled by our so-called "leaders" and "experts". Somewhat apropos of which, I wonder where you stand on what seems to be the most sensible and common view that sex and gender are two entirely different kettles of fish. On the view that "gender" is most usefully defined as masculine and feminine personalities, one of the more useful if not brilliant insights to come out of feminism:
https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/win2017/entries/feminism-gender/#GenFemMasPer
kmick: "... keep going back and forth like a teeter-totter as each 'side' backlashes against the other ..."
Indeed. Until that "teeter-totter" breaks and we're all back at square one. If we're "lucky":
https://claireberlinski.substack.com/p/nachtgedanken
kmick: "... 'He makes blacks look bad.' ..."
Good point. Wonder whether it's partly due to the size of the subgroup, the extent to which members of them are attached to or identify with that group. Kind of amusing though illuminating case of that in an old bit from black comedian Reginald D. Hunter @13:00 to about @20:00 :
https://youtu.be/QCCUCVAosJU?t=783
He starts off at about the 10 minute mark on racism but then goes into a routine where he asks, "Are you ever embarrassed by your own people sometimes?" And then he answers with a vignette about hearing on the six o’clock news in Georgia, “Robbery and shooting at local bank; details at 11” which he follows up with “Please god, don’t let it be a black guy!” 🙂
Seems we all have an entirely natural tendency to empathize with “our own people”, and to see an attack on any one of that group as an attack on ourselves: “my tribe, right or wrong”, "four legs good, two legs bad" – the cause of no end of grief and difficulties.