We are referring here to the biological reality that all humans, even those with Disorders of Sexual Development (DSDs) (formerly referred to by doctors as "intersex" conditions) are either biologically (genetically) male or female.
Or, more concisely stated, that all humans are either male or female.
We are referring here to the biological reality that all humans, even those with Disorders of Sexual Development (DSDs) (formerly referred to by doctors as "intersex" conditions) are either biologically (genetically) male or female.
Or, more concisely stated, that all humans are either male or female.
We can all agree (I hope) that genitalia and chromosomes exist. At a fundamentally biological level, on the scale of DNA, yes, we can agree that there are those who have ova and those have testes, and sometimes there are those who have both. These definitions weigh in heavily for gendered roles, like you've stated in your other reply to me, due to patriarchy.
However, this is where the paradox of realities comes in. Just because I may have ova or testes, my experiences and internalized emotions about my life differ from yours, regardless of the sexual organs you possess. This makes my reality different than yours as you have not undergone the exact same experiences as I did, and even if you had, you may have processed the accompanying emotions differently than I because you too have a idiosyncratic filter of which has shaped your world perspective.
Again, I have to state: I am here to antagonize those who would like to deny others reality/experience/emotional processes. This thread is riddled with fear and confusion and I'd like to engage in discourse with those who believe that a male, a human born with a penis and testes, is a man by all implications of that word.
1. Yes, you are here to antagonize. Not appreciated. It's trolling.
2. If you were interested in understanding or finding common ground, or debating, even, you would read gender-critical books and websites. So run along and go read those. We don't exist on this thread or elsewhere to waste our time educating you because you haven't bothered to do any basic gender-critical reading.
3. Here's a head start:
Woman - adult human female*
Female - of or pertaining to the sex that produces ova*
Male - of or pertaining to the sex that produces sperm*
* Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, and other well-known dictionaries
Your internal experience and emotions about your life are irrelevant to whether you are male or female, man or woman.
Please subscribe to and read the sex-role critical (gender-critical) websites listed at the end of this substack.
We do not exist to repeat to you what has already been written ad nauseum on this subject. Please do your own thorough reading before raising elementary topics.
Ok, so this is really funny and kind of strange that you are not aware: Substack is not an informative outlet, it's a blog. And "repeating to you what has already been written" is exactly what each and every one of you do. You come here, to this blog, to lament about your indignation.
This is evident because you have used the dictionary to define what a woman is, but I know you have a large enough brain to discern that it takes much more than ova to be a woman and much more than sperm to be a man.
The way that you talk about people denies their identity, almost in a way that equates us to cattle; this one has utters so it's a heifer and this one has balls so it's a steer. Do you wish to be equated to cattle? Do you like minimizing your own identity to what is between your legs and under your shirt?
"Sex-role" critical sites, aka institutions and groups of close-minded and scared individuals, are peddling traditionalist perspectives. Y'all go through so much trouble just to say that you're unwilling to challenge your own understanding of the world and learn to value individuals for more than their inherent sex organs.
I wouldn't be here if y'all could have the awareness that there are people who are different than you for all sorts of reasons you may not be able to empathize with. If you could just be aware enough to say out loud "I am fearful of transgender people in my community and what emotions I might feel around them," then I wouldn't be here.
I'm not at all " fearful" of people who believe they are transgender .They have been around all of my life.I am amused at the daft way you twist your chosen culty, religious fantasies into reality. Its only your belief that appears to think other people's sex organs are to be coveted.
Like most people I have occasionally been curious about having male bits,as I will never know how it feels but,like most people,I'm perfectly happy with what I have,as sex is just one bit of my life.
I became a feminist as a girl because I don't think women should do what men tell them,simply because they are men. Women the world over , are still not free ( until we all are,none of us women are ) to get on with their lives,choose our sex lives, careers and interests & wear pretty much what they like and not conform to some bloke's or some bloke's god's idea of what they should do. Now we are being told to " validate" any bloke who " feels" he is a woman .Hahaha!
How would he know what that is then ?
No bloke can actually turn into a woman, or vice versa but if they feel they want to live as their version of what they think a woman is,fine,who cares ? There are some situations where their belief or fantasy, has to take a back seat and hard luck lads, women are not here to make men with problems,feel better.
Ok, so, your issue is that, as a feminist, you are once again being told by men that you just validate their feelings?
You’re not a feminist; feminism maintains respect and equality for all, and you don’t have respect for anyone.
And you’re scaling your issues to larger than you can comprehend when you invoke women across the globe — truly, people across the globe are suffering because of many things, including identity repression — however, let’s stay on topic and only critique the culture we are a part of.
Your issues with men make you appear to be a misandrist, which is fine, you need to be aware, though, that you may not have fear but anger for those who do not share your gender.
Utter tripe.Feminism centres women. Most men are ok but some certainly are not. Men recognise this themselves since the biggest danger of violence or rape etc comes from men, whether you are a man or a woman. After a long life and many experiences, including supporting men and women and learning a lot about both, I certainly don't need you to patronise me with your boring and male centred goody goody waffle.Cheers .
Interesting, in a sad way, how you deem yourself someone who supports equality but jump at the chance to squander those who seek it, just because they seem a little different than you.
Look deep for acceptance within yourself and you will find acceptance for others. It makes me so happy that you have found a hateful corner of the web to lament to about how “equal” and “feminist” you are.
Interesting only in the way that your brain is very small, so I imagine all conversations with you come to a halt when you need to think critically about something.
Just like how you can't think critically about the independence and freedom of expression you stand for and how you would like to limit others' civil rights now that you're at the top.
LOL love the bit about "erasure of the past," like, for real: go look up what culture is. Culture exists so that we don't have to visit the past; there was nothing for us there but learning opportunities and now we're better because of it. Culture, girl. You need some.
"No one really cares what your gender is" hmmmm interesting, Lexicon, telling me that I am a walking contradiction when it seems you do very much care about gender and how to define it and how to conform to it.
Well, I didn't want to disrespect you and that novel you wrote me by not replying.
One thing; we agree on something that it seems you're confused about: biology does integrate into gender roles of cultures. However, it is becoming a very, very small part of the basis of the roles assumed. For example, men are no longer perceived to be the only "breadwinners," right? And women are not obligated to be homemakers, right? Just 40-60 years ago, our culture viewed gender roles differently.
But those traditional roles are quite limited, right? We all know that people are more than perceived gender roles, right? We know that a man can enjoy dressing like a woman without imposing any sexuality, right? We know that a woman can lead an entire country without compromising feminine traits, right?
So, tell me, why do you choose to stay in the past with traditional definitions of woman and man when you know, with your very eloquent brain, that people are nuanced beyond their sexual organs?
Why are you so troubled that a person with a different brain and a different body and different upbringing and different resources would see the world differently than you?
The whole idea of men as breadwinners and women as homemakers is extremely specific to the small slice of post-industrialization human history. And has nothing to do with the fact that:
- Humans are mammals with 2 sexes
- Gender is the interplay between biological sex, and the social and cultural expectations of behavior and appearance associated with those sexes.
Thanks in large part to the feminist movement, gender non-confirming appearance and behavior is more accepted than ever. But that hardly negates the biological reality that underpins gender differences.
I would like to think that you would want your children, grandchildren and all others in your life to form their own identity and to truly find acceptance of themselves and acceptance in others of who they present themselves to be.
You do realize that your perspective limits others ability to have freedom of speech and expression, right?
Mmmmm.... unempathetic. You lack the ability to understand others, especially when you disagree. Empathy means to understand others' experiences and feelings, even when you disagree. You are the tyrant, and you ironically can't even see it; you, fearful that your freedom of expression and speech are being infringed upon, don't see that you're doing that very thing to everyone else. For what? Biology?
We are referring here to the biological reality that all humans, even those with Disorders of Sexual Development (DSDs) (formerly referred to by doctors as "intersex" conditions) are either biologically (genetically) male or female.
Or, more concisely stated, that all humans are either male or female.
We can all agree (I hope) that genitalia and chromosomes exist. At a fundamentally biological level, on the scale of DNA, yes, we can agree that there are those who have ova and those have testes, and sometimes there are those who have both. These definitions weigh in heavily for gendered roles, like you've stated in your other reply to me, due to patriarchy.
However, this is where the paradox of realities comes in. Just because I may have ova or testes, my experiences and internalized emotions about my life differ from yours, regardless of the sexual organs you possess. This makes my reality different than yours as you have not undergone the exact same experiences as I did, and even if you had, you may have processed the accompanying emotions differently than I because you too have a idiosyncratic filter of which has shaped your world perspective.
Again, I have to state: I am here to antagonize those who would like to deny others reality/experience/emotional processes. This thread is riddled with fear and confusion and I'd like to engage in discourse with those who believe that a male, a human born with a penis and testes, is a man by all implications of that word.
1. Yes, you are here to antagonize. Not appreciated. It's trolling.
2. If you were interested in understanding or finding common ground, or debating, even, you would read gender-critical books and websites. So run along and go read those. We don't exist on this thread or elsewhere to waste our time educating you because you haven't bothered to do any basic gender-critical reading.
3. Here's a head start:
Woman - adult human female*
Female - of or pertaining to the sex that produces ova*
Male - of or pertaining to the sex that produces sperm*
* Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, and other well-known dictionaries
Your internal experience and emotions about your life are irrelevant to whether you are male or female, man or woman.
Please subscribe to and read the sex-role critical (gender-critical) websites listed at the end of this substack.
We do not exist to repeat to you what has already been written ad nauseum on this subject. Please do your own thorough reading before raising elementary topics.
Ok, so this is really funny and kind of strange that you are not aware: Substack is not an informative outlet, it's a blog. And "repeating to you what has already been written" is exactly what each and every one of you do. You come here, to this blog, to lament about your indignation.
This is evident because you have used the dictionary to define what a woman is, but I know you have a large enough brain to discern that it takes much more than ova to be a woman and much more than sperm to be a man.
The way that you talk about people denies their identity, almost in a way that equates us to cattle; this one has utters so it's a heifer and this one has balls so it's a steer. Do you wish to be equated to cattle? Do you like minimizing your own identity to what is between your legs and under your shirt?
"Sex-role" critical sites, aka institutions and groups of close-minded and scared individuals, are peddling traditionalist perspectives. Y'all go through so much trouble just to say that you're unwilling to challenge your own understanding of the world and learn to value individuals for more than their inherent sex organs.
I wouldn't be here if y'all could have the awareness that there are people who are different than you for all sorts of reasons you may not be able to empathize with. If you could just be aware enough to say out loud "I am fearful of transgender people in my community and what emotions I might feel around them," then I wouldn't be here.
I'm not at all " fearful" of people who believe they are transgender .They have been around all of my life.I am amused at the daft way you twist your chosen culty, religious fantasies into reality. Its only your belief that appears to think other people's sex organs are to be coveted.
Like most people I have occasionally been curious about having male bits,as I will never know how it feels but,like most people,I'm perfectly happy with what I have,as sex is just one bit of my life.
I became a feminist as a girl because I don't think women should do what men tell them,simply because they are men. Women the world over , are still not free ( until we all are,none of us women are ) to get on with their lives,choose our sex lives, careers and interests & wear pretty much what they like and not conform to some bloke's or some bloke's god's idea of what they should do. Now we are being told to " validate" any bloke who " feels" he is a woman .Hahaha!
How would he know what that is then ?
No bloke can actually turn into a woman, or vice versa but if they feel they want to live as their version of what they think a woman is,fine,who cares ? There are some situations where their belief or fantasy, has to take a back seat and hard luck lads, women are not here to make men with problems,feel better.
Ok, so, your issue is that, as a feminist, you are once again being told by men that you just validate their feelings?
You’re not a feminist; feminism maintains respect and equality for all, and you don’t have respect for anyone.
And you’re scaling your issues to larger than you can comprehend when you invoke women across the globe — truly, people across the globe are suffering because of many things, including identity repression — however, let’s stay on topic and only critique the culture we are a part of.
Your issues with men make you appear to be a misandrist, which is fine, you need to be aware, though, that you may not have fear but anger for those who do not share your gender.
Utter tripe.Feminism centres women. Most men are ok but some certainly are not. Men recognise this themselves since the biggest danger of violence or rape etc comes from men, whether you are a man or a woman. After a long life and many experiences, including supporting men and women and learning a lot about both, I certainly don't need you to patronise me with your boring and male centred goody goody waffle.Cheers .
Interesting, in a sad way, how you deem yourself someone who supports equality but jump at the chance to squander those who seek it, just because they seem a little different than you.
Look deep for acceptance within yourself and you will find acceptance for others. It makes me so happy that you have found a hateful corner of the web to lament to about how “equal” and “feminist” you are.
At least I'm interesting which is more than I can say for you,zzz.
Won't be replying to more of your tedious stuff so bye bye.
Interesting only in the way that your brain is very small, so I imagine all conversations with you come to a halt when you need to think critically about something.
Just like how you can't think critically about the independence and freedom of expression you stand for and how you would like to limit others' civil rights now that you're at the top.
Very imperialistic of you.
Good god, words are weapons and I think you used every single one in your arsenal. Too bad they were all dull.
LOL love the bit about "erasure of the past," like, for real: go look up what culture is. Culture exists so that we don't have to visit the past; there was nothing for us there but learning opportunities and now we're better because of it. Culture, girl. You need some.
"No one really cares what your gender is" hmmmm interesting, Lexicon, telling me that I am a walking contradiction when it seems you do very much care about gender and how to define it and how to conform to it.
Well, I didn't want to disrespect you and that novel you wrote me by not replying.
One thing; we agree on something that it seems you're confused about: biology does integrate into gender roles of cultures. However, it is becoming a very, very small part of the basis of the roles assumed. For example, men are no longer perceived to be the only "breadwinners," right? And women are not obligated to be homemakers, right? Just 40-60 years ago, our culture viewed gender roles differently.
But those traditional roles are quite limited, right? We all know that people are more than perceived gender roles, right? We know that a man can enjoy dressing like a woman without imposing any sexuality, right? We know that a woman can lead an entire country without compromising feminine traits, right?
So, tell me, why do you choose to stay in the past with traditional definitions of woman and man when you know, with your very eloquent brain, that people are nuanced beyond their sexual organs?
Why are you so troubled that a person with a different brain and a different body and different upbringing and different resources would see the world differently than you?
The whole idea of men as breadwinners and women as homemakers is extremely specific to the small slice of post-industrialization human history. And has nothing to do with the fact that:
- Humans are mammals with 2 sexes
- Gender is the interplay between biological sex, and the social and cultural expectations of behavior and appearance associated with those sexes.
Thanks in large part to the feminist movement, gender non-confirming appearance and behavior is more accepted than ever. But that hardly negates the biological reality that underpins gender differences.
I would like to think that you would want your children, grandchildren and all others in your life to form their own identity and to truly find acceptance of themselves and acceptance in others of who they present themselves to be.
You do realize that your perspective limits others ability to have freedom of speech and expression, right?
Mmmmm.... unempathetic. You lack the ability to understand others, especially when you disagree. Empathy means to understand others' experiences and feelings, even when you disagree. You are the tyrant, and you ironically can't even see it; you, fearful that your freedom of expression and speech are being infringed upon, don't see that you're doing that very thing to everyone else. For what? Biology?
Tell me, what makes a "good woman?"