The Nazi comparison does have some merit. The way in which Nazi occupied Poland functioned during WW2 is a great example. No one was forced per se to alienate and victimise the Jewish population. However the Nazi government made it clear through extensive propaganda that the Jewish were unclean and spreading disease and if you were Polis…
The Nazi comparison does have some merit. The way in which Nazi occupied Poland functioned during WW2 is a great example. No one was forced per se to alienate and victimise the Jewish population. However the Nazi government made it clear through extensive propaganda that the Jewish were unclean and spreading disease and if you were Polish and wanted to be a good citizen under occupation then ratting out your Jewish neighbours and friends was doing yourself and society a big favour. And you would also be financially rewarded in some cases. However if you were the brave minority who decided that this was wrong and you wanted to hide your Jewish friends and neighbours to protect them, you risked your life doing so. Poland was the only occupied nation where you were killed for harbouring Jews. Approximately 30,000 Polish men and women including children were sentenced to death by the Nazis (most of them shot on the spot) for standing up against their occupying regime. No one forced them to take such action.
The analogy here is that transgender health care is similar. No one forces anybody to undergo transgender affirmative care. But in many cases parents are pressured by the health care providers to consent to this care (e.g. „would you rather a dead daughter or a live son?”), societal expectations (i.e. transphobia) or by the child themselves (threat of suicide). The child themselves if they can make a choice independently also is subject to peer pressure, societal expectation and flawed medical authority (e.g. „you were born this way”). Those children who in later life detransition honor the fact that they and their parents took direct part in their decision making however they express anger towards society for propagandising and financially incentivising one view over another and eliminating access to the breadth of alternative options available.
So although there is no direct coercion in both the cases of the Poles under Nazi Germany and the transgender medical system, the tacit manipulation that exists is still wrong. And can lead to good people making poor decisions that they later regret because they think that thought their decision was the right decision at the time. I wouldn’t let transgender medical practitioners get off the hook as easily as suggesting because their not dragging children off the street and castrating them, that they are not doing any harm.
Only the treatment makes mental health worse and suicide rate skyrocket.
The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over thirty years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to twenty times that of comparable peers.
20 times comparable peers. Next tell us about how cool WPATH is, when they have people writing pediatric castration "erotica" also writing their guidelines.
The Nazi comparison does have some merit. The way in which Nazi occupied Poland functioned during WW2 is a great example. No one was forced per se to alienate and victimise the Jewish population. However the Nazi government made it clear through extensive propaganda that the Jewish were unclean and spreading disease and if you were Polish and wanted to be a good citizen under occupation then ratting out your Jewish neighbours and friends was doing yourself and society a big favour. And you would also be financially rewarded in some cases. However if you were the brave minority who decided that this was wrong and you wanted to hide your Jewish friends and neighbours to protect them, you risked your life doing so. Poland was the only occupied nation where you were killed for harbouring Jews. Approximately 30,000 Polish men and women including children were sentenced to death by the Nazis (most of them shot on the spot) for standing up against their occupying regime. No one forced them to take such action.
The analogy here is that transgender health care is similar. No one forces anybody to undergo transgender affirmative care. But in many cases parents are pressured by the health care providers to consent to this care (e.g. „would you rather a dead daughter or a live son?”), societal expectations (i.e. transphobia) or by the child themselves (threat of suicide). The child themselves if they can make a choice independently also is subject to peer pressure, societal expectation and flawed medical authority (e.g. „you were born this way”). Those children who in later life detransition honor the fact that they and their parents took direct part in their decision making however they express anger towards society for propagandising and financially incentivising one view over another and eliminating access to the breadth of alternative options available.
So although there is no direct coercion in both the cases of the Poles under Nazi Germany and the transgender medical system, the tacit manipulation that exists is still wrong. And can lead to good people making poor decisions that they later regret because they think that thought their decision was the right decision at the time. I wouldn’t let transgender medical practitioners get off the hook as easily as suggesting because their not dragging children off the street and castrating them, that they are not doing any harm.
The proposal of "do this or die" is by definition not voluntary.
I agree, I would argue that all transgender persons are subject to this exact stress without being directly coerced.
Only the treatment makes mental health worse and suicide rate skyrocket.
The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over thirty years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to twenty times that of comparable peers.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
20 times comparable peers. Next tell us about how cool WPATH is, when they have people writing pediatric castration "erotica" also writing their guidelines.